11-07-2009, 08:10 PM,
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El Gordo
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glaconman Wrote:No problem chaps, I'm not going to complain about Tour Talk. I've got Tour Fever like the rest of you. In fact, I even watched most of today's stage live despite my previous comments and thoroughly enjoyed it.
EG, I think it might be worth reiterating the amount of effort it takes to ride alone vs. in a group. Even if there's only 2 of you cycling, tucking in behind the other rider will save you 25%. This is particularly true on the flatter stages and when there's a head-wind. Somebody can have 15 minutes on the peleton, but if they decide to work together they'll just eat that lead-up (remember David Millar at 1km to go). And that's where domestiques come in: they work for the leader. If he has a puncture they'll drop back and pace him back to the group. If another contender is in a breakaway they'll work at the front of the peleton to reel them in. That's why mountain stages and time-trials tend to be decisive because you can make more time independently without the influence of the group affecting your performance.
I can't argue with what's been said. It's great to see Wiggins up there; and I think Amstrong in the team can only make Contador stronger in the long-run.
Yeah, that slipstream stuff is crucial to understanding why they do what they do. It's all very clever and impressive. Today's stage was just amazing, with the final hundred metres or so turning the (or my) expected) result on its head. And yes, Millar yesterday (or perhaps it happened the day before, but I watched it yesterday) was another classic case. Ignorant me would have bet my house on him winning the race but the commentators' caution was very well-founded.
Again, the whole thing is just great to watch. And I wasn't joking about seeing the changing territory. I love the travelogue aspect with the Monaco coast and Provencal hillside villages turning into mountain roads and the streets of Barcelona and.... god knows what next. And those spectators with little cameras leaning out on a bend in the mountain road as the bikes whip past...
More. I need more.
El Gordo
Great things are done when men and mountains meet.
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11-07-2009, 11:34 PM,
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July 2009
El Gordo Wrote:More. I need more.
Welcome to the dark side, EG.
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14-07-2009, 02:36 PM,
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Sweder
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Good work G-man. Impressive weight loss, a fair return for concerted effort. Intake is critical; so easy to justify heavy consumption on resumption of regular training (one of my own demons).
Looks like I picked the wrong day to break my live Tour duck; riders on a go-slow to protest against ban on team radios. 'Nail-bitingly dull' the call from the principal Eurosport chitterer just now. Selah.
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
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14-07-2009, 03:33 PM,
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I stand corrected - hugely exciting end to Bastille Day leg of la Tour. Cavendish flashed through the (United Colours of) Peloton to reign on the most French of parades. The inexorable reeling in of the breakaway riders made compelling viewing. There's something delightfully voyeuristic about it, like watching a swarm of predatory bugs chase down and consume its unfortunate prey on the fly, mere seconds from safety.
OK, I get it now.
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
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27-07-2009, 08:35 AM,
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Socks ... I remember them ...
Thoughtful photographer, setting up on a downslope.
Antbliss (local race snappers) take great pleasure in hiding at the top of long climbs so as to capture the perfect blend of exhaustion, inertia and gut-wrenching agony :o
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
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27-07-2009, 08:50 AM,
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El Gordo
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Sweder Wrote:Socks ... I remember them ...
Thoughtful photographer, setting up on a downslope.
Antbliss (local race snappers) take great pleasure in hiding at the top of long climbs so as to capture the perfect blend of exhaustion, inertia and gut-wrenching agony :o
I've twice had run-ins with Antbliss. Once a few years ago on this forum, when he got shirty about you posting some thumbnails of the Brighton 10K. And then again a few months ago, when I was desperately keen to give him £40 to pay for some good pics from the Finchley 20. He insisted that I had to agree that I wasn't buying the pictures, but only a temporary licence, one of the terms of which was that I had to seek his permission if I wanted to reproduce a picture on a blog (heaven forbid). This agreement had to last into perpetuity. What a load of nonsense. I couldn't reason with him. These were snaps of fat middle-aged people plodding round the streets of Ruislip, not pap snaps of Usain Bolt. Anyway, I had to cancel the order which did neither of us any good.
GM's pics are excellent. Rare to get such a good sense of action.
Great end to the Tour de France, BTW. I missed a few days last week, including what sounded like a harrowing climb up Ventoux. But have really enjoyed what I did see. Another reason not to get bored during the football close season.
El Gordo
Great things are done when men and mountains meet.
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27-07-2009, 02:22 PM,
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July 2009
El Gordo Wrote:I've twice had run-ins with Antbliss. Once a few years ago on this forum, when he got shirty about you posting some thumbnails of the Brighton 10K. And then again a few months ago, when I was desperately keen to give him £40 to pay for some good pics from the Finchley 20. He insisted that I had to agree that I wasn't buying the pictures, but only a temporary licence, one of the terms of which was that I had to seek his permission if I wanted to reproduce a picture on a blog (heaven forbid). This agreement had to last into perpetuity. What a load of nonsense...
Ridiculous! Does he think we're Runners World or something? I'd be happy to tell him where to shove his £40 - he must be dreaming.
El Gordo Wrote:Great end to the Tour de France, BTW. I missed a few days last week, including what sounded like a harrowing climb up Ventoux.
It was fantastic stuff. Contador was astonishing... his agressive style and personality reminded me of Marco Pantani (though hopefully drug free) and Claudio Chiapucci (ditto the drugs). Great cycling! Though naturally, I was somewhat disappointed at Cadel Evans' relatively poor performance this year - that on the back of the Ashes and losing the rugby to New Zealand, it hasn't been a happy time for us Aussies of late.
Anyway, I'm off to find a beer to cry in to.
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