14-02-2006, 01:49 PM,
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Worth the wait, as usual, more so for the quality of the piece; a real gem. I nearly didn’t make it past the kitchen floor bit, I was laughing so hard.
You may not be a pessimist but I suspect that like many of us in the ‘hopeful plodder’ category you have serious masochistic tendencies. We seem to revel in the sheer toughness of a difficult run, though to be fair there wasn’t much post-run revelling in the Home Counties last Sunday. We certainly line up for more soon enough.
I thought for one moment the audio clip ‘Lovely day’ might be that infamous butt of the oldest joke in the world:
How d’you change a duck into a soul singer?
Put him in a microwave and wait ‘til his Bill Withers.
I said it was old, not good.
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph
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14-02-2006, 02:10 PM,
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andy Wrote:Oh dear. "equally as" is a bête noire of mine. One or t'other but not both, they say.
I must interject here to document that the phrase "bête noire", is a particular Voulez-vous cesser de me cracher dessus pendant que vous parlez, of mine.
But I try not to let it get to me.
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14-02-2006, 03:41 PM,
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Andy, well done on finishing Wokingham, a thoughtful write-up and a positive note to end on.
But your weight loss sounds dramatic. A few years ago I did 1500 cals for a month or so and lost about 8 pounds. I was permanently hungry, and got through cubic metres of rice cakes between meals. But I put it back on within six months, it just wasn't sustainable.
And that was before I took up running. You must be burning around 150 cals/mile; I don't know your weekly mileage but you must be seeing off 3000 cals a week through running. We large-framed chaps should require over 2000 cals/day to maintain a stable weight. Hmm, let's see, (1500-2000)*7-3000 = -6500 cals/wk. They say 3000 cals = 1lb of fat (I think), so that gives around 2.2lb/week weight loss, 15lb in 6 weeks = 2.5 lb/wk. There you go!
Well, what I was going to say before I went stat-crazy, was that I can't imagine being able to do any running when I felt as hungry as I did on 1500 cals/day. I am completely inexpert, but it sounds to me like you should adjust your calorie intake upwards towards a more sustainable long-term weight loss target (e.g. 0.5-1lb/wk). Especially now that you are on the run-in to Zurich. I don't think you should be aiming for significant weight loss now.
Feel free to ignore. But you ain't gonna get those glycogen levels up on 1500 cals/day. Start taking on some more licit calories so you don't need to resort to the illicit ones.
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14-02-2006, 04:50 PM,
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I've lost about 6 lbs over the same period, Andy. I'm still eating like a horse at meal times but . . . and here's the rub . . . not between them. And Almería aside I've given my beloved beer a fairly wide berth, too. As I've run the equivalent of a half marathon every Sunday since Christmas (sounds good, eh?) I've started 'eating for my run' from Friday night onwards, to include bagels and lots of toasted fruitbread (for breakfast and pudding).
Start that mini-load-up program this week. It should help the 20 this weekend.
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14-02-2006, 05:23 PM,
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El Gordo
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Sigh. Oh alright then....
But it is a dilemma. I need to lose weight to run more comfortably, but yes, I can see that too much loss can cause problems.
Dan - I was actually including running in my calculations. The 1500 figure is a net figure, i.e. taking running into consideration.
Funnily enough I haven't suffered too much from hunger. I've been eating very little processed food, which I find can be quite addictive. If I stick with fruit and veg, I seem to feel pretty satisfied. I've been eating fruit for breakfast and the odd snack, something like a baked potato or salad for lunch, then a pile of veg in the evening. Perhaps stir-fried or roasted. Very tasty and filling.
But OK, I'll try to load up with some more carbs, starting with a few beers in the pub this evening for the Liverpool-Arsenal game.
Hurrah!
El Gordo
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15-02-2006, 04:39 PM,
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El Gordo
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suzieq Wrote:I laughed as well picturing you!
Come on guys, you're not supposed to be laughing at me. I'm after sympathy here.
Looks like I'll have to change tack....
Anyway, good to hear from you Suzie. How's your London training going?
Let us know what your schedule is for your trip and we'll arrange a get-together.
El Gordo
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19-02-2006, 04:43 PM,
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I got round the Bramley 20 , but it was tough .
Report later.
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19-02-2006, 09:56 PM,
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Well done Andy, a big effort. Sub 5 mara is next. Don't keep us waiting too long for your report!
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20-02-2006, 11:52 AM,
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andy Wrote:Thanks MLCM, but if you want the truth, I have little hope of a sub-5 marathon.
I know the feeling Andy - it always hits hardest after a gruelling run.
The problem is we spend rather too much time thinking. I remember finishing my first Brighton Half in 2003 and thinking 'there's no way I could do that again', as in, twice on the same day to finish a marathon. And then I did. And I thought after that, 'there's no way I could do that again' . . . and so it goes on.
As you say, it's perhaps not the best time to reflect too deeply.
If you did want to tackle that sub-5 issue I've got some ideas that might help in the long term. For now enjoy an easy week - I'm looking at a couple of very lazy hilltop fives before flying to Houston on Friday. Lord knows if I'll get any decent distance covered over there . . .
I owe an awful lot of people rather a lot of beer in that town
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20-02-2006, 11:11 PM,
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Heading west on Friday myself, though hopefully not in the Biggles sense.
Look forward to reading the Terrible Tales of Bramley over a top shelf margarita at Cafe Adobe.
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26-02-2006, 10:43 PM,
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Yeah give up Andy - face facts, you'll never break 5 hours.
God, what absolute tosh. You do 20 miles at 11:27 pace in atrocious conditions, and on a less than favourable course and you still don't believe you can do it!?
Man, you are on track - from what I can see thus far, if you just keep at it 4 hours something is yours for the taking in Zurich. You'll have a great course, better weather (can't be worse?), a screaming crowd and umpteen thousand other runners to put the final gloss on your training and get you over the line before the clock ticks over to 5 hours.
If I believe it, it must be true
But I bet everyone else here believes it too.
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